If we review genus as an ethnic groups, we find over 3,365+ groups – each distinctive
Species are the equivalent of small business, community groups – we have 10,567+
Strains could be viewed as the individuals.
Some strains (people) are criminals and some community leaders
To understand what is happening in the cities, we need to get data / characteristics
What foods are sent to the city
What products are exported from the city
What are the sources of energy for the city
How may people come in or leave by ethnic groups
What type of waste is produced by the city
What types of crimes happen in the city
From this information, we may gain insight into how to administer and change the city.
The statistics available about the Microbiome City
All of the above, except for End Products(Obsolete). This information is obtained from lab studies cultivating bacteria. Data is really hit and miss.
All of the other statistics is done using gene data from KEGG: Kyoto Encyclopedia of Genes and Genomes. Once the bacteria has been sequenced, all of this information can be computed. This works for both bacteria that can be cultured and those (most) that cannot be cultured in a lab.
Where do you find this data on Microbiome Prescription?
Outliers are grouped to help analysis by bringing out items of probable significanceTo see ALL of the data go here
Seeing changes between Samples
When you have multiple samples, this line will appear. Multiple Samples Comparison is the button
These reports are the same as above – except you have numbers from different samples side by side
All of the choices available above are listed here.
What is the difference between Outliers and Full Report?
Outliers ( AKA out of range) gives you the ability to filter by percentile OR use the Kaltoft-Moldrup Limits
The full range gives a much larger list (often hundreds) with filtering limited to the Search box on the page.
Above is for an individual sample — so you are given a list of your samples and the page will automatically update when you change samples.
For the multiple sample compare, you have already selected the samples and cannot change them from the page. You can go back to the selection page and pick different samples.
For multiple sample outliers — if one sample has an outlier, then the values of other samples will also be shown. The outliers are color coded:
The reader provide the following history (shortened)
Person’s Narrative
Sample BiomeSight:2021-02-24 In addition to my usual CFS symptoms I had a lot of trouble with gastritis. I was taking Slippery Elm, Marshmallow root, DGL, melatonin, magnesium, probiotic Bio.me Femme UT. I mostly avoided other supplements due to gastric issues. When the results came back I was only able to eat a few foods, so I couldn’t really follow the suggestions. I decided to wait until my stomach got better and retest.
Sample BiomeSight:2021-08-23 Taken after I’ve been on PPIs for 3 months. I haven’t been eating dairy for months which decreased B. Wadsworthia somewhat. I ate a lot of soy milk and soy yogurt. Mostly gluten-free, but eating lots of oatmeal. The combination of PPIs and yogurt made Streptococcus Thermophilus very high. The supplements at the time were melatonin, magnesium, zinc carnosine, d3 & k2, vit A, Omega 3, probiotic Bio.me Femme UT, occasional Slippery Elm to calm the stomach.
After I got results back I started taking: – Miyarisan (Kegg AI Computed Probiotics), – glycine (Kegg AI Computed Supplements), – inulin, burdock root, L. Rhamnosus, L.Reuterii, almonds, oregano tea (suggestions from Targeted bacteria based on symptom Impaired memory & concentration). I alternated modifiers so I wasn’t taking all of them all of the time.
I stopped: – vit A and Slippery Elm (suggestions from Targeted bacteria based on symptom Impaired memory & concentration) – yogurt (high S. Thermophilus)- oatmeal (it seemed to cause hypoglycemia. Replaced with tsampa – roasted barley flour)
Interestingly, Kegg AI Computed Supplements at level <15% reported Iron and 6 weeks later I was found to be anemic. That was an excellent prediction! I wish I would have gone and tested my iron status right away.
Sample BiomeSight:2021-11-28 Still on PPIs. Taken one month after I started taking prescription iron pills and lactulose to help with resulting constipation. Still eating soy milk daily, but no dairy, no yogurt. Taking more supplements at this point.
Analysis
Reading the history, my first question is to see if the predicted shifts from doing PPI (Proton Pump Inhibitors) is reflected between samples. Keep in mind that there are other microbiome compounders (i.e. other eating pattern changes). To this end, I’ve created a new page where you can pick a before, after and a modifier.
New page shows when you have multiple samples. It will be there after an upload (regardless of membership status)Before sample vs first sample after PPI startedbefore sample until latest sample
What is interesting to note is that the impact diminished overtime (80 -> 65). This agrees with my base model that rotation and re-testing is essential.
We can do combinations, for example PPI and melatonin between first and second sample. We lack studies on combinations and thus have to resort to this experiential approach to see how well predictions agree with actuals.
At the bottom of the pages, you get the details:
If a substance did not cause more improvements(Agrees versus Differs), then they are possible items to drop. Remember, the suggestions are theoretical prediction looking at many hundreds of bacteria. This allows you to objectively measure whether they worked well for you! They will not work for every one because of differences in DNA, diet, gender, age etc. I spot checked items like Slippery Elm (46.8 Agrees, 27 Differs), Miyarisan (KEGG Suggestion) (40.8 Agrees, 15 Differs) and was pleased with the results.
Looking at the next Step
Above, we (to my delight) verify that the suggestions are causing changes in the predicted direction for this person (based on their microbiome samples). Looking at predicting symptoms, we had 72% correct for the top 11 items ( So where do we go from here? Remember, the goal is to focus on the bacteria that likely contributed the most to the dysfunction (often high ones)
From KEGG, the best probiotic is Sun Wave Pharma/Bio Sun Instant, if it is available. It has several species suggested in it.
Looking at KEGG Products out of range — 7 were too low and 190 were too high. We are looking at an overproduction scenario.
I looked thru the predicted symptoms bacteria and there were a lot of secondary matches(shown with a # but very few direct matches. When we moved on to KM outliers, we had 25 items listed — 2 families and 5 genus with these items of considerable note — both for high percentile and high numbers:
So I did a hand picked with just these more extreme values. I tossed in everything we had. No prescription items showed up on the to take, but many (and a few b-vitamins) showed up on the to avoid list.
We also note that the Unhealth Bacteria page, was full of Streptococcus
I tossed all of these into our hand-picked list and ask for new suggestions — the suggestions did not change expect for minor shifts of confidence.
Bottom Line
Two probiotics: lactobacillus plantarum (probiotics) and the mixture Sun Wave Pharma/Bio Sun Instant. I see the recommendation leads to the same type of breakfast that is regular for me: Barley/Oats with inulin and wheat bran. For all of the items, make sure you check the dosage links (where available)
Click on the rulers to see what dosages have been used in clinical studies (thus can be assumed to be safe)
The Microbiome is like a city full for billions of bacteria (people).
Some items produced in the city are consumed in the city – for example, Bakery products
Some items are imported into the city – for example, Wheat to make bread
Some items are exported from the city – for example, factory goods
Similarly there are compounds / chemicals in the microbiome. Some imports may be coming from food or cells in the body, products out to be going to cells or into urine, some products are consumed by other bacteria
The intent of this new page is to attempt to get estimates of these flows. These are crude estimates because they depend on two things — the bacteria species identified by the lab (different labs detect different species) and whether the full genes of each species is in KEGG.
The flow is simple as illustrated below
The Stool sample is sent to a lab
The lab process it and produces a data file (“Fastq”)
The lab runs it thru software that produces a list of bacteria and their count
We then take all of the species reported that are found in KEGG and compute the count of enzymes. We assume one bacteria produces one enzyme.
From the totals of each enzymes, we go back to KEGG to find what is consumed (Substrate) by the enzyme, and what is produced by the enzymes. Again, we assume 1 unit of compound is produced for 1 unit of enzyme.
We total all of the compound being produced and consumed.
We then get the distribution over all samples and compute a percentile value for each.
Needless to say, that is a lot of calculations — a lot!
The New Page
The page is under Component Analysis as shown below
This page will be restricted in 2022, at present, all may use it.
When the page for a sample loads, you may be missing the percentiles. This is done because of the amount of calculation involved, it is not done automatically.
On First Load
At the top of the page is a button, just click it and wait a little while and the percentiles will appear
After clicking
Use the search button to find items that you are interested in, For example, in how much of D-Lactic and L-Lactic acid is being produced and consumed. High D-Lactic acid is associated with brain fog. Remember that comparison must be done with the same lab software identifying.
This is similar to Kombucha, see my prior post from 2017 here. Every species (and strains) have different impacts and I prefer to reduce the risk of adverse outcomes.
“Similarly to milk-derived kefir, the exact microbial composition of kombucha cannot be given because it varies. “
Great good can come from Kefir, for example, the probiotic Lactobacillus Kefiri LKF01 (DSM 32079) LKEF. It was discovered after investigating dozens of different Kefirs. See this 2017 post on this probiotic.
Kefir can contain many different species and families — including [2008] [2021] [2015] [2011] [2006]
The grains used, the processes and environment, all contribute to variable outcomes.
Bottom Line
I have a strong bias in wanting to know precisely what bacteria are being taken. “Fermented drinks are good” is gospel for many…. for me, it is randomness… some people will do good and some will not – often dependent on the brand, or how it was fermented….. I am risk adverse…
Kefir grains could come salted with specific bacteria (to increase the odds) — but I would expect that the provider would provide information on the strains and links to the literature for each.
This list (with live time updates as data is added) on Microbiome Prescription web site. All suggestions from this page should be reviewed by your medical professionals. These are based on modelling and not clinical studies. These are based on family and lower taxonomy ranks (genus,species,strains) reported in studies on US National Library of Medicine.
In general, people report improvements from at least half of the items on the top of the list for other conditions. Many items listed have been reports in clinical studies to help a significant percentage of patients.
Reversion of Gut Microbiota during the Recovery Phase in Patients with Asymptomatic or Mild COVID-19: Longitudinal Study. Microorganisms (Microorganisms ) Vol: 9 Issue 6 Pages: Pub: 2021 Jun 7 Epub: 2021 Jun 7 Authors Kim HN , Joo EJ , Lee CW , Ahn KS , Kim HL , Park DI , Park SK , if(open==true){ } SummaryHtml ArticlePublication
The gut microbiome of COVID-19 recovered patients returns to uninfected status in a minority-dominated United States cohort. Gut microbes (Gut Microbes ) Vol: 13 Issue 1 Pages: 1-15 Pub: 2021 Jan-Dec Epub: Authors Newsome RC , Gauthier J , Hernandez MC , Abraham GE , Robinson TO , Williams HB , Sloan M , Owings A , Laird H , Christian T , Pride Y , Wilson KJ , Hasan M , Parker A , Senitko M , Glover SC , Gharaibeh RZ , Jobin C , if(open==true){ } SummaryHtml ArticlePublication
Gut Microbiota May Not Be Fully Restored in Recovered COVID-19 Patients After 3-Month Recovery. Frontiers in nutrition (Front Nutr ) Vol: 8 Issue Pages: 638825 Pub: 2021 Epub: 2021 May 13 Authors Tian Y , Sun KY , Meng TQ , Ye Z , Guo SM , Li ZM , Xiong CL , Yin Y , Li HG , Zhou LQ , if(open==true){ } SummaryHtml ArticlePublication
Gut Microbiota Interplay With COVID-19 Reveals Links to Host Lipid Metabolism Among Middle Eastern Populations. Frontiers in microbiology (Front Microbiol ) Vol: 12 Issue Pages: 761067 Pub: 2021 Epub: 2021 Nov 5 Authors Al Bataineh MT , Henschel A , Mousa M , Daou M , Waasia F , Kannout H , Khalili M , Kayasseh MA , Alkhajeh A , Uddin M , Alkaabi N , Tay GK , Feng SF , Yousef AF , Alsafar HS , if(open==true){ } SummaryPublication
The sources used for microbiome shifts
Best prediction is done when using a 16s microbiome result for the patient
This is a part of an ongoing series of posts that are intended for microbiome testing labs, or those interested in starting one. I am downstream from all of the microbiome labs and will gladly work with any of them — my main concern is making people better — not the financial bottom line.
This post looks at issues involved with selecting studies to use for giving suggestions to consumers of microbiome result. These are questions that I have looked at and have made my own choices (a.k.a. technically trade secrets).
Method of microbiome detection used
There are three main types, listed below. Do you restrict to only one? Do you give a weight to different methods, for example the values suggested after each below?
Different studies report things differently. For example some may report the % change of a bacteria average, others may provide the actual distribution, others may just report that the control or the cohort average was higher with (P < 0.5). It is like trying to buy gas – one person is offering it by the gallon in US$, another in litres in Euro, a third “sufficient fuel to drive 200 miles in a 1958 Land Rover” for 3 oz of silver.
I have my own magic in combining a multitude of studies and resolving the many many issues cited above. I encourage labs to do their own resolutions and then let people compare results (if they are in agreement, everyone should be happy). The real test is whether the suggestions work. So far, for my own experience and for a reasonable number of people that have provided feedback – they have. The suggestions may not be perfect, but my goal is to give suggestions that are more likely to help.
My short form would be to use Symbioflor-1 (to address sinus issues) and make sure that you rotate through different active ingredients in mouthwashes (and I would include my dad’s favorite: rinse your mouth with Scotch Whisky [or similar] – I will leave it to you if you spit out or not 🙂 ). I would suggest reading some of the above earlier posts.
A while back I built a bacteria to bacteria interaction model with rich results. With the addition of the anti-modifier page for professionals, my mind went over to finding probiotic interactions. This is based on the 2000+ microbiome samples uploaded. I have the basic results below
The more positive, the Impact number the more it helps the other species. A negative number indicates that it will reduce the other. Thus, you should not take Clostridium butyricum and Akkermansia muciniphila together. If you are trying to increase Bifidobacterium bifidum then take Arthrobacter (in Prescript-Assist®/SBO Probiotic) and/or Lactobacillus paracasei.
You may wish to check my retail probiotic page to find out which products contains different species.
This is available exclusively as Pendulum Akkermansia. We signed up for the subscription plan when it was first announced, and they have kept shipping at their low introductory price every month. Within I week of getting the first shipment, I read a few posts that “it did not persist”. Excuse me, the typical turnaround time for a microbiome test is 3-4 weeks. I suspect that someone is gas-lighting. Or, they may have been taking a hostile probiotic at the same time.
We subscribed to only one bottle and we decided that the wife would take it for the first two months (we rotate probiotics). The results were her Akkermansia muciniphila went from 4,530 to 64,920 (91%ile) — so, it appears to have persisted (or helped the native ones to prosper by creating a friendlier environment). I should point out that that the fact that she has some to start with may be a significant factor for this awesome increase (that is, the environment was not totally hostile).
She noticed some significant changes, to her the most significant one was a major improvement in sleep.
Kampo (Japanese Name)
This is also known as fang feng tong sheng san (Chinese: also may be named: Fang Feng Tong Sheng Pian (Fang Feng Tong Sheng Wan, 防风通圣片) – best names to use on Amazon) or Bofu-tsusho-san. A professional user of Microbiome Prescription reported a major increase of Akkermansia with his patients using this and forwarded two studies that illustrated this.
Bofutsushosan improves gut barrier function with a bloom of Akkermansia muciniphila and improves glucose metabolism in mice with diet-induced obesity. [2020]
Increase of Akkermansia muciniphila by a Diet Containing Japanese Traditional Medicine Bofutsushosan in a Mouse Model of Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease [2020]
For additional items to help (or hurt) see this page (1400 items listed).
Current Experiment
As mentioned above, we rotate probiotics as a standard practice in our household. I am starting both the Akkermansia and Kampo and plan to do a new microbiome report in a month (so 2 months until this post gets updated). I expect a significant jump in my Akkermansia. At last test, it was 570 or 0.05% (via Biomesight), below the lower end of Dr. Jason Hawrelak Recommended ranges.
Results:
A 7 to 8 fold increase was seen after a month. The probiotic was stopped for a week before the sample was taken.
Using BiomeSight algorithm on FASTQ fileUsing Ombre algorithm on FASTQ file
As an unintended side-effect, a lost of 7+ kilos over 7 weeks without changing diet (or dieting)!!! I have also taken high dosages of bifidobacterium infantis with it. It is known to encourage akkermansia too.
A user of my site that is active consulting on autism microbiome manipulation obtained permissions for me to do an analysis of one of his patients going through FMT. All of the microbiome testing was done via Biomesight (including the donor). This is specific type of data that I have been pleading to see if we can make predictive models of what could occur with FMT.
Measure
Prior
Donor
After
Taxonomy
374
406
550
Elusive
3
3
6
Rare
4
8
17
Sparse
12
15
33
Infrequent
28
37
68
Uncommon
66
89
145
I did analysis at the Species, Genus, Family, Order and Class level trying many many approaches. This summarize my key findings.
The second sample was done one month after the FMT. Patient was very good for a couple of days, then “the war started”. New more severe autism symptoms appeared.
Do NOT expect it to reduce overgrowths!
Looking at the lowest numbers of the recipient prior and the donor, we found that the post-FMT numbers had a clear pattern.
At the Class level, 97% was higher than the lowest of the two, 58% was higher than the highest
At the Order level, 96% was higher than the lowest of the two, 56% was higher than the highest
At the Family level, 95% was higher than the lowest of the two, 61% was higher than the highest
At the Genus level, 91% was higher than the lowest of the two, 51% was higher than the highest
At the Species level, 94% was higher than the lowest of the two, 47% was higher than the highest
This was shocking — 50% of the bacteria will be higher than either the donor’s or recipient’s levels. Many people will assume that the levels will magically average the two levels. The reality seen here is that only 50% of the time will the new level be between these two levels and 50%of the time it will be higher than either. This is unlikely to be a preferred outcome.
Unexpected Disappearances
There were several items where both the recipient and the donor had bacteria, they were gone in the post-FMT sample! This was not expected, of special interest is that Lactobacillus was wiped out.
Order: Puniceicoccales
Family: Clostridiales Family XVI. Incertae Sedis
Family: Lactobacillaceae
Family: Puniceicoccaceae
Genus: Alkalibacterium
Genus: Butyricimonas
Genus: Carboxydocella
Genus: Catonella
Genus: Lactobacillus
Genus: Macrococcus
Genus: Pelagicoccus
Genus: Turicibacter
Species: lingnae
Species: Streptococcus oralis
Species: Veillonella parvula
Species: Streptococcus pseudopneumoniae
Species: Carboxydocella ferrireducens
Species: Sutterella wadsworthensis
Species: Catonella morbi
Many New Kids showed up!
These are bacteria not seen in the recipient prior nor the donor sample
Class Level: Acidobacteria, Calditrichae,Chitinophagia,Flavobacteriia,Ktedonobacteria,
Bottom line is that the microbiome has become much more diverse
Recent FMT aspects
FMT destabilizes the microbiome, there are “strain riots” in the guts. We can see this with all of the “New Kids” showing up because the existing occupants are busy dealing with each other. This can be seen by the post microbiome having a lot more taxonomical items (550 vs 374 before – a 47% increase), The microbiome, over time, will downsize and stabilize with a new normal. During this period, you want to entrench your desired items by feeding it the right things and avoiding the wrong thing.
Personally, I would suggest a new sample every 6 weeks to monitor the stabilization.
Is FMT Worth the Risk?
FMT is effectively an organ transplant. Like organ transplants, there are significant risks of rejection and no way to undo it once it happens. From correspondence with many people who have tried it for ME/CFS, my feelings are that it is not a magic bullet. It is closer to playing Russian roulette, but with 5 of the 6 bullet chambers having bullets in the chambers.
I just spent 90 minutes zooming to the consultant involved with this autistic child. We both agreed that FMT for autistic children is not a wise course. The consultant is scratching their head on what to help this child recover from this situation.
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