Microbiome Fishing Expeditions

  • If we review genus as an ethnic groups, we find over 3,365+ groups – each distinctive
    • Species are the equivalent of small business, community groups – we have 10,567+
    • Strains could be viewed as the individuals.
    • Some strains (people) are criminals and some community leaders
  • To understand what is happening in the cities, we need to get data / characteristics
    • What foods are sent to the city
    • What products are exported from the city
    • What are the sources of energy for the city
    • How may people come in or leave by ethnic groups
    • What type of waste is produced by the city
    • What types of crimes happen in the city

From this information, we may gain insight into how to administer and change the city.

The statistics available about the Microbiome City

All of the above, except for End Products(Obsolete). This information is obtained from lab studies cultivating bacteria. Data is really hit and miss.

All of the other statistics is done using gene data from KEGG: Kyoto Encyclopedia of Genes and Genomes. Once the bacteria has been sequenced, all of this information can be computed. This works for both bacteria that can be cultured and those (most) that cannot be cultured in a lab.

Where do you find this data on Microbiome Prescription?

Outliers are grouped to help analysis by bringing out items of probable significance
To see ALL of the data go here

Seeing changes between Samples

When you have multiple samples, this line will appear. Multiple Samples Comparison is the button

These reports are the same as above – except you have numbers from different samples side by side

All of the choices available above are listed here.

What is the difference between Outliers and Full Report?

Outliers ( AKA out of range) gives you the ability to filter by percentile OR use the Kaltoft-Moldrup Limits

The full range gives a much larger list (often hundreds) with filtering limited to the Search box on the page.

Above is for an individual sample — so you are given a list of your samples and the page will automatically update when you change samples.

For the multiple sample compare, you have already selected the samples and cannot change them from the page. You can go back to the selection page and pick different samples.

For multiple sample outliers — if one sample has an outlier, then the values of other samples will also be shown. The outliers are color coded:

VIDEOS COMING

A series of samples overtime from a CFS/ME person

The reader provide the following history (shortened)

Person’s Narrative

Sample BiomeSight:2021-02-24 In addition to my usual CFS symptoms I had a lot of trouble with gastritis. I was taking Slippery Elm, Marshmallow root, DGL, melatonin, magnesium, probiotic Bio.me Femme UT. I mostly avoided other supplements due to gastric issues. When the results came back I was only able to eat a few foods, so I couldn’t really follow the suggestions. I decided to wait until my stomach got better and retest.

Sample BiomeSight:2021-08-23 Taken after I’ve been on PPIs for 3 months. I haven’t been eating dairy for months which decreased B. Wadsworthia somewhat. I ate a lot of soy milk and soy yogurt. Mostly gluten-free, but eating lots of oatmeal. The combination of PPIs and yogurt made Streptococcus Thermophilus very high. The supplements at the time were melatonin, magnesium, zinc carnosine, d3 & k2, vit A, Omega 3, probiotic Bio.me Femme UT, occasional Slippery Elm to calm the stomach.

After I got results back I started taking:
– Miyarisan (Kegg AI Computed Probiotics),
– glycine (Kegg AI Computed Supplements),
– inulin, burdock root, L. Rhamnosus, L.Reuterii, almonds, oregano tea (suggestions from Targeted bacteria based on symptom Impaired memory & concentration).
I alternated modifiers so I wasn’t taking all of them all of the time.

I stopped:
– vit A and Slippery Elm (suggestions from Targeted bacteria based on symptom Impaired memory & concentration)
– yogurt (high S. Thermophilus)- oatmeal (it seemed to cause hypoglycemia. Replaced with tsampa – roasted barley flour)

Interestingly, Kegg AI Computed Supplements at level <15% reported Iron and 6 weeks later I was found to be anemic. That was an excellent prediction! I wish I would have gone and tested my iron status right away.

Sample BiomeSight:2021-11-28 Still on PPIs. Taken one month after I started taking prescription iron pills and lactulose to help with resulting constipation. Still eating soy milk daily, but no dairy, no yogurt. Taking more supplements at this point.

Analysis

Reading the history, my first question is to see if the predicted shifts from doing PPI (Proton Pump Inhibitors) is reflected between samples. Keep in mind that there are other microbiome compounders (i.e. other eating pattern changes). To this end, I’ve created a new page where you can pick a before, after and a modifier.

New page shows when you have multiple samples. It will be there after an upload (regardless of membership status)
Before sample vs first sample after PPI started
before sample until latest sample

What is interesting to note is that the impact diminished overtime (80 -> 65). This agrees with my base model that rotation and re-testing is essential.

We can do combinations, for example PPI and melatonin between first and second sample. We lack studies on combinations and thus have to resort to this experiential approach to see how well predictions agree with actuals.

At the bottom of the pages, you get the details:

If a substance did not cause more improvements(Agrees versus Differs), then they are possible items to drop. Remember, the suggestions are theoretical prediction looking at many hundreds of bacteria. This allows you to objectively measure whether they worked well for you! They will not work for every one because of differences in DNA, diet, gender, age etc. I spot checked items like Slippery Elm (46.8 Agrees, 27 Differs), Miyarisan (KEGG Suggestion) (40.8 Agrees, 15 Differs) and was pleased with the results.

Looking at the next Step

Above, we (to my delight) verify that the suggestions are causing changes in the predicted direction for this person (based on their microbiome samples). Looking at predicting symptoms, we had 72% correct for the top 11 items ( So where do we go from here? Remember, the goal is to focus on the bacteria that likely contributed the most to the dysfunction (often high ones)

  • From KEGG, the best probiotic is Sun Wave Pharma/Bio Sun Instant, if it is available. It has several species suggested in it.
  • Looking at KEGG Products out of range — 7 were too low and 190 were too high. We are looking at an overproduction scenario.

I looked thru the predicted symptoms bacteria and there were a lot of secondary matches(shown with a # but very few direct matches. When we moved on to KM outliers, we had 25 items listed — 2 families and 5 genus with these items of considerable note — both for high percentile and high numbers:

So I did a hand picked with just these more extreme values. I tossed in everything we had. No prescription items showed up on the to take, but many (and a few b-vitamins) showed up on the to avoid list.

In terms of typical ME/CFS, we found only two matches, both two high:  Bacteroides ovatus and Streptococcus. In terms of this small subset — only one item was above 0.29 — Human milk oligosaccharides (prebiotic, Holigos, Stachyose) with iron and B-12 being on the to take list.

We also note that the Unhealth Bacteria page, was full of Streptococcus

I tossed all of these into our hand-picked list and ask for new suggestions — the suggestions did not change expect for minor shifts of confidence.

Bottom Line

Two probiotics:  lactobacillus plantarum (probiotics) and the mixture Sun Wave Pharma/Bio Sun Instant. I see the recommendation leads to the same type of breakfast that is regular for me: Barley/Oats with inulin and wheat bran. For all of the items, make sure you check the dosage links (where available)

Click on the rulers to see what dosages have been used in clinical studies (thus can be assumed to be safe)

Chemistry of the Microbiome

The Microbiome is like a city full for billions of bacteria (people).

  • Some items produced in the city are consumed in the city – for example, Bakery products
  • Some items are imported into the city – for example, Wheat to make bread
  • Some items are exported from the city – for example, factory goods

Similarly there are compounds / chemicals in the microbiome. Some imports may be coming from food or cells in the body, products out to be going to cells or into urine, some products are consumed by other bacteria

The intent of this new page is to attempt to get estimates of these flows. These are crude estimates because they depend on two things — the bacteria species identified by the lab (different labs detect different species) and whether the full genes of each species is in KEGG.

The flow is simple as illustrated below

  1. The Stool sample is sent to a lab
  2. The lab process it and produces a data file (“Fastq”)
  3. The lab runs it thru software that produces a list of bacteria and their count
  4. We then take all of the species reported that are found in KEGG and compute the count of enzymes. We assume one bacteria produces one enzyme.
  5. From the totals of each enzymes, we go back to KEGG to find what is consumed (Substrate) by the enzyme, and what is produced by the enzymes. Again, we assume 1 unit of compound is produced for 1 unit of enzyme.
  6. We total all of the compound being produced and consumed.
  7. We then get the distribution over all samples and compute a percentile value for each.

Needless to say, that is a lot of calculations — a lot!

The New Page

The page is under Component Analysis as shown below

This page will be restricted in 2022, at present, all may use it.

When the page for a sample loads, you may be missing the percentiles. This is done because of the amount of calculation involved, it is not done automatically.

On First Load

At the top of the page is a button, just click it and wait a little while and the percentiles will appear

After clicking

Use the search button to find items that you are interested in, For example, in how much of D-Lactic and L-Lactic acid is being produced and consumed. High D-Lactic acid is associated with brain fog. Remember that comparison must be done with the same lab software identifying.

2017-11-06 UBIOME
2018-03-16 UBIOME
2019-03-19 UBIOME
2019-10-20 Thryve
2020-02-23 Thryve
2021-10-05 Thryve

Bottom Line

This is likely a useful tool for tracking changes between samples. Go to it and add comments when you find interesting things.

My problem with Kefir….

This is similar to Kombucha, see my prior post from 2017 here. Every species (and strains) have different impacts and I prefer to reduce the risk of adverse outcomes.

“Similarly to milk-derived kefir, the exact microbial composition of kombucha cannot be given because it varies. “

 A Review on Kombucha Tea—Microbiology, Composition, Fermentation, Beneficial Effects, Toxicity, and Tea Fungus [2014]

Great good can come from Kefir, for example, the probiotic Lactobacillus Kefiri LKF01 (DSM 32079) LKEF. It was discovered after investigating dozens of different Kefirs. See this 2017 post on this probiotic.

Kefir can contain many different species and families — including [2008] [2021] [2015] [2011] [2006]

  • Lactobacillus kefiri (occasionally)
  • Lactobacillus  kefiranofaciens
  • Leuconostoc mesenteroides 
  • Lactococcus lactis 
  • Liquorilactobacillus nagelii,
  • Lentilactobacillus hilgardii/diolivorans
  • Lacticaseibacillus casei/paracasei,
  • Lactobacillus perolens,
  • Lactobacillus parafarraginis,
  • Lactobacillus diolivorans,
  • Oenococcus oeni 
  • Lactobacillus acidophilus,
  • Streptococcus thermophilus, 
  • Sphingobacterium

The grains used, the processes and environment, all contribute to variable outcomes.

Bottom Line

I have a strong bias in wanting to know precisely what bacteria are being taken. “Fermented drinks are good” is gospel for many…. for me, it is randomness… some people will do good and some will not – often dependent on the brand, or how it was fermented….. I am risk adverse…

Kefir grains could come salted with specific bacteria (to increase the odds) — but I would expect that the provider would provide information on the strains and links to the literature for each.

Comments

Microbiome Modelled Suggestions for Long Covid

This list (with live time updates as data is added) on Microbiome Prescription web site. All suggestions from this page should be reviewed by your medical professionals. These are based on modelling and not clinical studies. These are based on family and lower taxonomy ranks (genus,species,strains) reported in studies on US National Library of Medicine.

In general, people report improvements from at least half of the items on the top of the list for other conditions. Many items listed have been reports in clinical studies to help a significant percentage of patients.

Items with a low bad impact and high good impact are likely the best to start with (i.e. Sumac(Rhus coriaria) , laminaria hyperborea( tangle/cuvie – seaweed)  thyme  (oil), coriander oil  , peppermint  oil). Many of these suggestions are similar to those for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (Long COVID sibling). Suggestions for ME/CFS agreed with clinical studies results.

Reversion of Gut Microbiota during the Recovery Phase in Patients with Asymptomatic or Mild COVID-19: Longitudinal Study.
Microorganisms (Microorganisms ) Vol: 9 Issue 6 Pages:
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The gut microbiome of COVID-19 recovered patients returns to uninfected status in a minority-dominated United States cohort.
Gut microbes (Gut Microbes ) Vol: 13 Issue 1 Pages: 1-15
Pub: 2021 Jan-Dec Epub: Authors Newsome RC , Gauthier J , Hernandez MC , Abraham GE , Robinson TO , Williams HB , Sloan M , Owings A , Laird H , Christian T , Pride Y , Wilson KJ , Hasan M , Parker A , Senitko M , Glover SC , Gharaibeh RZ , Jobin C , if(open==true){ }
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Gut Microbiota May Not Be Fully Restored in Recovered COVID-19 Patients After 3-Month Recovery.
Frontiers in nutrition (Front Nutr ) Vol: 8 Issue Pages: 638825
Pub: 2021 Epub: 2021 May 13 Authors Tian Y , Sun KY , Meng TQ , Ye Z , Guo SM , Li ZM , Xiong CL , Yin Y , Li HG , Zhou LQ , if(open==true){ }
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Gut Microbiota Interplay With COVID-19 Reveals Links to Host Lipid Metabolism Among Middle Eastern Populations.
Frontiers in microbiology (Front Microbiol ) Vol: 12 Issue Pages: 761067
Pub: 2021 Epub: 2021 Nov 5 Authors Al Bataineh MT , Henschel A , Mousa M , Daou M , Waasia F , Kannout H , Khalili M , Kayasseh MA , Alkhajeh A , Uddin M , Alkaabi N , Tay GK , Feng SF , Yousef AF , Alsafar HS , if(open==true){ }
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The sources used for microbiome shifts


Best prediction is done when using a 16s microbiome result for the patient

NetModifier2Good ImpactBad Impact
24bacillus subtilis (probiotics)3410
21lactobacillus casei (probiotics)309
20pomegranate277
19resistant starch3415
19whey223
19bifidobacterium longum (probiotics)223
18pediococcus acidilactic (probiotic)213
17brown rice236
17wheat247
17oregano (origanum vulgare, oil) |247
16almonds/ almond skins182
15soy2510
15vitamin d2914
14walnuts2713
14whole-grain barley228
14pectin228
14wheat bran2410
14Cacao217
14dietary fiber140
14lactobacillus plantarum,xylooligosaccharides,(prebiotic) (probiotics)162
14lactobacillus reuteri (probiotics)2713
14fish oil173
14proline (amino acid)195
14bifidobacterium bifidum (probiotics)2511
13lactobacillus paracasei (probiotics)229
13lactobacillus acidophilus (probiotics)229
13Human milk oligosaccharides (prebiotic, Holigos, Stachyose)2815
12raffinose(sugar beet)164
12lauric acid(fatty acid in coconut oil,in palm kernel oil,)175
12high fiber diet208
12rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary)2513
12Conjugated Linoleic Acid142
12Alpha-Ketoglutarate186
12Burdock Root164
11glycine176
11Glucomannan110
11pea (fiber, protein)165
11fructo-oligosaccharides (prebiotic)2615
11lactobacillus rhamnosus (probiotics)2312
11lactobacillus rhamnosus gg (probiotics)198
11lactobacillus casei shirota (probiotics)132
11fat209
11bifidobacterium pseudocatenulatum,(probiotics)154
11bifidobacterium infantis,(probiotics)176
11polyphenols143
11saccharomyces boulardii (probiotics)209
11oligofructose (prebiotic)121
11apple2110
11whole grain,bran110
10vsl#3 (probiotics)144
10naringenin(grapefruit) (Flavonoid)133
10lupin seeds (anaphylaxis risk, toxic if not prepared properly)2010
10magnesium122
10red wine2313
10broad beans2010
10fasting166
10lactobacillus plantarum (probiotics)2818
10inulin (prebiotic)2616
10enterococcus faecium (probiotic)155
10hou-po-da-huang-tang111
9Goji (berry,juice)156
9fruit/legume fibre167
9oligosaccharides (prebiotic)123
9banana101
9bifidobacterium adolescentis,(probiotics)123
9bifidobacterium animalis lactis (probiotics)167
9anise134
9triphala3425
9zinc2718
9vitamin a2314
8trametes versicolor( mushroom)102
8red chiles (Capsicum)80
8xylooligosaccharide (prebiotic)91
8thyme157
8trametes versicolor(Turkey tail mushroom)102
8peppermint135
8persimmon tannin91
8resistant maltodextrin168
8selenium91
8mediterranean diet2113
8omega-3 fatty acids146
8palm kernel meal124
8bifidobacterium catenulatum,(probiotics)102
8bacillus subtilis natto (probiotics)91
8cinnamon (oil. spice)2113
8high resistant starch124
8green tea146
8jerusalem artichoke (prebiotic)113
8ketogenic diet1810
8noni124
8Acacia Gum91
8bacillus,lactobacillus,streptococcus,saccharomyces probiotic80
8yogurt80
8sarcodiotheca gaudichaudii (red sea weed)113
8brown algae113
8Soymilk80
7plantago asiatica l.125
7lactose114
7Codonopsis pilosula70
7rosa rugosa114
7dietary phytoestrogens (isoflavones)125
7chicken70
7sialyllactose (oligosaccharide ) (prebiotic)114
7polygonatum kingianum(Orange Flower Solomon’s Seal.)70
7arabinoxylan oligosaccharides (prebiotic)2013
7bacillus pumilus92
7lactobacillus gasseri (probiotics)169
7glutamate70
7foeniculum vulgare (Fennel)125
7dates92
7black raspberries125
7arabinogalactan (prebiotic)81
7garlic (allium sativum)2013
7neem136
7methyl gallate103
7polysorbate 80114
7Vitamin B-12 (Cyanocobalamin)70
7blueberry125
6buckwheat82
6vitamin b2(Riboflavin)71
6germinated barley food-stuff60
6schinus molle (herb)71
6raw potato starch104
6sesame cake/meal71
6safflower oil71
6barley2519
6chicory (prebiotic)82
6chrysanthemum morifolium126
6fibre-rich macrobiotic ma-pi 2 diet137
6daesiho-tang60
6lactobacillus salivarius (probiotics)1610
6lactobacillus brevis (probiotics)93
6Lactobacillus Johnsonii (probiotic)126
6Oyster Mushroom71
6corn60
6sesame71
6rye71
6grape fiber60
6chondrus crispus (red sea weed)93
5xylaria hypoxylon (fungi)72
5lactobacillus sakei (probiotics)50
5purple sweet potatoes94
5d-ribose50
5Whole Milk61
5brassica juncea94
5galla rhois83
5Kiwifruit72
5lactobacillus acidophilus,cellobiose (probiotics)61
5gum arabic (prebiotic)61
5chamomile (chamaemelum nobile)83
5cabbage50
5barley,oat1510
5basil61
5bacillus (probiotics)50
5rhubarb149
5navy bean1510
5n-acetyl-d-glucosamine50
5oats72
5bifidobacterium lactis bb12 (probiotics)105
5green-lipped mussel116
5genistein83
5salt (sodium chloride)83
4saccharomyces cerevisiae (probiotics)95
4sesuvium portulacastrum herb51
4tulsi51
4vegetable40
4resveratrol (grape seed/polyphenols/red wine)2420
4tannic acid106
4marijuana62
4pea protein73
4mutaflor escherichia coli nissle 1917 (probiotics)51
4moderate-protein moderate-carbohydrate51
4marjoram51
4rosa canina40
4plantain bananas40
4bifidobacterium longum bb536 (probiotics)139
4black beans73
4chitosan,(sugar)2016
4glucose (sugar)40
4fruit73
4koji aspergillus oryzae51
4laminaria digitata(oarweed – seaweed)95
4Psyllium (Plantago Ovata Husk)139
4Beet40
4Bifidobacterium animalis40
4wasabi40
4fucoidan51
4punicic acid40
4asparagus40
4Vitamin E40
4Vitamin B40
4lemon62
4western diet40
4allium cepa40
4Opium poppy (Papaver somniferum)40
4Spearmint(mentha spicata)40
4Mango ginger(curcuma amada)40
4cinnamomum zeylanicum40
4cinnamomum tamala40
4Exercise106
4potatoes106
4bifidobacterium breve (probiotic)62
4spirulina(cyanobacteria)40
4low protein diet128
4papaya40
4bean51
4fenugreek73
4quercetin,resveratrol139
4rosehip tea51
4pomegranate blossom tea51
4grape polyphenols139
4hypericum scabrum herb51
4high amylose cornstarch40
4maize40
4mannitol40
4tabebuia impetiginosa (taheebo) bark51
4vitex negundo (herb)40
3nigella sativa seed (black cumin)52
3whole-grain wheat52
3sorghum85
3lactulose1411
3bifidobacterium longum,lactobacillus helveticus (probiotics)52
3Curcumin52
3White-leaved Savory(micromeria fruticosa)52
3amaranth85
3Agavins (agave sugar)74
3avocado peel41
3Slippery Elm3027
3Gallic acid41
3Ajwain (trachyspermum ammi)63
3Taxifolin52
3Ginseng74
3Lithium96
3Dendrobium officinale74
3lactobacillus fermentum (probiotics)107
3low animal protein diet41
3l-sorbose41
3fraxinus angustifolia (narrow-leafed ash)30
3capsaicin (hot pepper)41
3coriander oil74
3enterococcus durans (probiotics)41
3aspartame (sweetner)96
3animal-based diet1411
3polymannuronic acid1714
3momordia charantia(bitter melon, karela, balsam pear, or bitter gourd)52
3low processed foods diet41
3lychee fruit (nephelium longan)30
3xylan (prebiotic)1310
3xylitol74
3sunflower oil41
3syzygium aromaticum (clove)74
3galacto-oligosaccharides (prebiotic)1916
2oolong tea polyphenols31
2oolong teas31
2tomato powder31
2tea1816
2vitamim e20
2oligofructose-enriched inulin (prebiotic)119
2oregano essential oil31
2paenibacillus polymyxa (prescript assist) (probiotics)31
2olea europaea (olive leaf)53
2mint20
2satureia montana(Winter savory)31
2(+)-catechin42
2abies alba mill. (silver fir)31
2bioflorin,enterococcus faecium sf 68,(probiotics)31
2bacopa monnieri20
2carum carvi (Caraway)31
2catechol31
2choline deficiency20
2chitooligosaccharides (prebiotic)1412
2chaga (mushroom)20
2grapes42
2l-phenylalanine20
2l-arginine20
2lemon oil20
2lemongrass oil53
2lactobacillus helveticus,lactobacillus rhamnosus (probiotics)20
2Pork86
2camellia20
2rice bran64
2Tryptophan64
2nobiletin20
2Konjaku flour64
2lactobacillus helveticus20
2bacillus laterosporus (probiotic)64
2Immortelle(helichrysum italicum)31
2milk thistle(silybum marianum)20
2bandicoot berry(leea indica)20
2Bacillus clausii (Probiotics)42
2bifidobacterium (probiotics)64
2xylopia aethiopica (herb)20
2cylicodiscus gabunensis (mimosaceae)20
2d-fructose (sugar)20
2lactobacillus paracasei,lactobacillus acidophilus,bifidobacterium animalis (probiotics)31
1galactose (milk sugar)1211
1hydrogenated palm oil10
1bifidobacterium lactis,streptococcus thermophilus probiotic87
1galla chinensis (herb)109
1Sijunzi decoction43
1Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate)76
1strawberry43
1Fiber, total dietary32
1Haritaki10
1quinoa21
1Cacoa flavonoids10
1lactobacillus kefiri (NOT KEFIR)1110
1grape seed extract87
1fumarate10
1ginger109
1doenjang (fermented bean paste)21
1aloe vera21
1ashwagandha (withania somnifera)32
1bacillus licheniformis,(probiotics)109
1ß-glucan1716
1salvia officinalis (sage)10
1plant-rich diet10
1peppermint (spice, oil)54
1moderate-carbohydrate diet10
1magnolia bark21
1peganum harmala (rue)21
1thyme oil10
1thyme (thymol, thyme oil)87

The site also provide prescription suggestions with those below being the highest ranked.

Note: There are different from those suggested for ME/CFS

Studies Selection and Weighing for Suggestions

This is a part of an ongoing series of posts that are intended for microbiome testing labs, or those interested in starting one. I am downstream from all of the microbiome labs and will gladly work with any of them — my main concern is making people better — not the financial bottom line.

This post looks at issues involved with selecting studies to use for giving suggestions to consumers of microbiome result. These are questions that I have looked at and have made my own choices (a.k.a. technically trade secrets).

Method of microbiome detection used

There are three main types, listed below. Do you restrict to only one? Do you give a weight to different methods, for example the values suggested after each below?

For a discussion of the last two, see Comparison between 16S rRNA and shotgun sequencing data for the taxonomic characterization of the gut microbiota [2021]

Life Form/non-form that the study was done on

We have a wide variety of “bacteria incubators” reported in studies, including

  • Fish (Zebra fish especially)
  • Animals – which ones? Horses, Dogs, Cats, Cows, Pigs etc
  • Chemical Reactors simulating some living creature’s environment
  • Humans
    • Which ethnic groups
    • Location that the study was done (a proxy for diet) — different results from Mexico and Japan!
    • Age — children, adults and the elderly have different responses
    • Medical conditions in the cohort

Do you do a binary include/exclude or do you apply a weight to each?

Quality of Study

The following are commonly used in evaluating studies:

  • Read Beyond the Abstract – that means getting and reading the full study, including the appendix
  • Determine Whether All Results Were Included
  • Observational Study versus Randomized Controlled Trial
  • Odds Ratios and Confidence Intervals
  • Size of study

Do you give different weights based on the above? Some literature is below:

Interpreting Studies

Different studies report things differently. For example some may report the % change of a bacteria average, others may provide the actual distribution, others may just report that the control or the cohort average was higher with (P < 0.5). It is like trying to buy gas – one person is offering it by the gallon in US$, another in litres in Euro, a third “sufficient fuel to drive 200 miles in a 1958 Land Rover” for 3 oz of silver.

Method of Aggregation

Some studies use the Hartung–Knapp–Sidik–Jonkman random effects model [2021] to combine results. Other studies use DerSimonian-Laird method (cited by Cochrane) or The generic inverse variance outcome type in RevMan.

Bottom Line

I have my own magic in combining a multitude of studies and resolving the many many issues cited above. I encourage labs to do their own resolutions and then let people compare results (if they are in agreement, everyone should be happy). The real test is whether the suggestions work. So far, for my own experience and for a reasonable number of people that have provided feedback – they have. The suggestions may not be perfect, but my goal is to give suggestions that are more likely to help.

SIBO – Addressing Upstream Issues – Mouth

The recent article Quantitative sequencing clarifies the role of disruptor taxa, oral microbiota, and strict anaerobes in the human small-intestine microbiome [2021] identifies upstream as a maintainer of SIBO. A response to this post was people asking what to do This is not news for me, I have written about this over the last 7 years.

My short form would be to use Symbioflor-1 (to address sinus issues) and make sure that you rotate through different active ingredients in mouthwashes (and I would include my dad’s favorite: rinse your mouth with Scotch Whisky [or similar] – I will leave it to you if you spit out or not 🙂 ). I would suggest reading some of the above earlier posts.

Probiotics helping (or hurting) Probiotics

A while back I built a bacteria to bacteria interaction model with rich results. With the addition of the anti-modifier page for professionals, my mind went over to finding probiotic interactions. This is based on the 2000+ microbiome samples uploaded. I have the basic results below

The more positive, the Impact number the more it helps the other species. A negative number indicates that it will reduce the other. Thus, you should not take Clostridium butyricum and Akkermansia muciniphila together. If you are trying to increase Bifidobacterium bifidum then take Arthrobacter (in Prescript-Assist®/SBO Probiotic) and/or Lactobacillus paracasei.

You may wish to check my retail probiotic page to find out which products contains different species.

Take ThisTo Increase This
Akkermansia muciniphilaClostridium butyricum-6
ArthrobacterBifidobacterium bifidum21
ArthrobacterBifidobacterium catenulatum4
Bifidobacterium adolescentisBifidobacterium bifidum3
Bifidobacterium adolescentisBifidobacterium breve7
Bifidobacterium adolescentisLactobacillus fermentum8
Bifidobacterium adolescentisLactobacillus rhamnosus3
Bifidobacterium bifidumArthrobacter20
Bifidobacterium bifidumBifidobacterium adolescentis3
Bifidobacterium bifidumBifidobacterium catenulatum7
Bifidobacterium bifidumLactobacillus fermentum8
Bifidobacterium bifidumLactobacillus paracasei13
Bifidobacterium bifidumLactobacillus salivarius4
Bifidobacterium bifidumLactococcus lactis5
Bifidobacterium breveBifidobacterium adolescentis4
Bifidobacterium breveBifidobacterium longum13
Bifidobacterium breveLactobacillus crispatus9
Bifidobacterium breveLactobacillus rhamnosus6
Bifidobacterium catenulatumArthrobacter5
Bifidobacterium catenulatumBifidobacterium bifidum7
Bifidobacterium longumBifidobacterium breve18
Bifidobacterium longumLactobacillus fermentum3
Clostridium butyricumAkkermansia muciniphila-6
Lactobacillus crispatusBifidobacterium breve12
Lactobacillus crispatusLactobacillus rhamnosus7
Lactobacillus crispatusPediococcus6
Lactobacillus fermentumBifidobacterium adolescentis9
Lactobacillus fermentumBifidobacterium bifidum8
Lactobacillus fermentumBifidobacterium longum3
Lactobacillus paracaseiBifidobacterium bifidum12
Lactobacillus paracaseiLactobacillus plantarum4
Lactobacillus plantarumLactobacillus paracasei3
Lactobacillus plantarumLactobacillus rhamnosus3
Lactobacillus plantarumPediococcus3
Lactobacillus rhamnosusBifidobacterium adolescentis4
Lactobacillus rhamnosusBifidobacterium breve6
Lactobacillus rhamnosusLactobacillus crispatus9
Lactobacillus rhamnosusLactobacillus plantarum5
Lactobacillus salivariusBifidobacterium bifidum4
Lactobacillus salivariusPediococcus5
Lactococcus lactisBifidobacterium bifidum4
Leuconostoc mesenteroidesPediococcus3
PediococcusLactobacillus crispatus8
PediococcusLactobacillus plantarum4
PediococcusLactobacillus salivarius5
PediococcusLeuconostoc mesenteroides4

Increasing Akkermansia: Probiotics and Kampo

This is a personal observation post and not my traditional aggregation of studies. Your experience may differ.

Known Sources:

Akkermansia Probiotic

This is available exclusively as Pendulum Akkermansia. We signed up for the subscription plan when it was first announced, and they have kept shipping at their low introductory price every month. Within I week of getting the first shipment, I read a few posts that “it did not persist”. Excuse me, the typical turnaround time for a microbiome test is 3-4 weeks. I suspect that someone is gas-lighting. Or, they may have been taking a hostile probiotic at the same time.

We subscribed to only one bottle and we decided that the wife would take it for the first two months (we rotate probiotics). The results were her Akkermansia muciniphila went from 4,530 to 64,920 (91%ile) — so, it appears to have persisted (or helped the native ones to prosper by creating a friendlier environment). I should point out that that the fact that she has some to start with may be a significant factor for this awesome increase (that is, the environment was not totally hostile).

She noticed some significant changes, to her the most significant one was a major improvement in sleep.

Kampo (Japanese Name)

This is also known as fang feng tong sheng san (Chinese: also may be named: Fang Feng Tong Sheng Pian (Fang Feng Tong Sheng Wan,  防风通圣片) – best names to use on Amazon) or Bofu-tsusho-san. A professional user of Microbiome Prescription reported a major increase of Akkermansia with his patients using this and forwarded two studies that illustrated this.

  • Bofutsushosan improves gut barrier function with a bloom of Akkermansia muciniphila and improves glucose metabolism in mice with diet-induced obesity. [2020]
  • Increase of Akkermansia muciniphila by a Diet Containing Japanese Traditional Medicine Bofutsushosan in a Mouse Model of Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease [2020]
A massive bloom!
As an image

So, what else does Kampo do?

For additional studies, see pub-med.

https://www.tsumura.co.jp/english/products/pi/JPR_T062.pdf

Other Approaches

Current Experiment

As mentioned above, we rotate probiotics as a standard practice in our household. I am starting both the Akkermansia and Kampo and plan to do a new microbiome report in a month (so 2 months until this post gets updated). I expect a significant jump in my Akkermansia. At last test, it was 570 or 0.05% (via Biomesight), below the lower end of Dr. Jason Hawrelak Recommended ranges.

Results:

A 7 to 8 fold increase was seen after a month. The probiotic was stopped for a week before the sample was taken.

May be an image of text that says "Low High Description Bacteria Distribution (KM) BiomeSight (KM) 2021-10- 19 Self (family) Akkermansiaceae 16 Concern? Count BiomeSight 269847 글 Bacteria 2022-01- 24 Self (genus) Akkermansia Percentile 10 Distribution 570 269847 Count 署 Bacteria 34.7 (species) Akkermansia muciniphila Percentile 16 Distribution 570 4160 雪 199384 34.6 53.3 Bactena Distribution 570 4160 38.5 38 64.7 4160 55.9"
Using BiomeSight algorithm on FASTQ file
May be an image of text that says "Low Description iption High Bacteria Distribution (KM) Thryve (KM) 2021-09- 09 TEKNT (family)Akkermansiaceae 16 Concern? Thryve Count 269847 2022-01- 24 self (genus) Akkermansia Bacteria Percentile 10 Distribution 637 Count 269847 (species) Akkermansia muciniphila 言 Bacteria 35.8 Percentile 16 Distribution 637 4226 199384 言 Bacteria 35.7 53.4 Distribution 631 4276 64.8 39.4 4203 55.9"
Using Ombre algorithm on FASTQ file

As an unintended side-effect, a lost of 7+ kilos over 7 weeks without changing diet (or dieting)!!! I have also taken high dosages of bifidobacterium infantis with it. It is known to encourage akkermansia too.

Before/Donor/After FMT Analysis

A user of my site that is active consulting on autism microbiome manipulation obtained permissions for me to do an analysis of one of his patients going through FMT. All of the microbiome testing was done via Biomesight (including the donor). This is specific type of data that I have been pleading to see if we can make predictive models of what could occur with FMT.

MeasurePriorDonorAfter
Taxonomy374406550
Elusive336
Rare4817
Sparse121533
Infrequent283768
Uncommon6689145

I did analysis at the Species, Genus, Family, Order and Class level trying many many approaches. This summarize my key findings.

The second sample was done one month after the FMT. Patient was very good for a couple of days, then “the war started”. New more severe autism symptoms appeared.

Do NOT expect it to reduce overgrowths!

Looking at the lowest numbers of the recipient prior and the donor, we found that the post-FMT numbers had a clear pattern.

  • At the Class level, 97% was higher than the lowest of the two, 58% was higher than the highest
  • At the Order level, 96% was higher than the lowest of the two, 56% was higher than the highest
  • At the Family level, 95% was higher than the lowest of the two, 61% was higher than the highest
  • At the Genus level, 91% was higher than the lowest of the two, 51% was higher than the highest
  • At the Species level, 94% was higher than the lowest of the two, 47% was higher than the highest

This was shocking — 50% of the bacteria will be higher than either the donor’s or recipient’s levels. Many people will assume that the levels will magically average the two levels. The reality seen here is that only 50% of the time will the new level be between these two levels and 50%of the time it will be higher than either. This is unlikely to be a preferred outcome.

Unexpected Disappearances

There were several items where both the recipient and the donor had bacteria, they were gone in the post-FMT sample! This was not expected, of special interest is that Lactobacillus was wiped out.

  • Order: Puniceicoccales
  • Family: Clostridiales Family XVI. Incertae Sedis
  • Family: Lactobacillaceae
  • Family: Puniceicoccaceae
  • Genus: Alkalibacterium
  • Genus: Butyricimonas
  • Genus: Carboxydocella
  • Genus: Catonella
  • Genus: Lactobacillus
  • Genus: Macrococcus
  • Genus: Pelagicoccus
  • Genus: Turicibacter
  • Species: lingnae
  • Species: Streptococcus oralis
  • Species: Veillonella parvula
  • Species: Streptococcus pseudopneumoniae
  • Species: Carboxydocella ferrireducens
  • Species: Sutterella wadsworthensis
  • Species: Catonella morbi

Many New Kids showed up!

These are bacteria not seen in the recipient prior nor the donor sample

  • Class Level: Acidobacteria, Calditrichae,Chitinophagia,Flavobacteriia,Ktedonobacteria,
  • Order Level: Acidobacteriales, Calditrichales, Caulobacterales, Chitinophagales, Chroococcales, Desulfobacterales, Flavobacteriales, Kiloniellales, Nostocales, Oscillatoriales, Rhodocyclales, Rickettsiales, Streptosporangiales, Synechococcales, Syntrophobacterales, Thermogemmatisporales,
  • Family Level: Acetobacteraceae, Acidobacteriaceae, Anaplasmataceae, Calditrichaceae, Caulobacteraceae, Chitinophagaceae, Chroococcaceae, Clostridiales Family XII. Incertae Sedis, Cyanobacteriaceae, Cytophagaceae, Desulfobacteraceae, Dysgonamonadaceae, Flavobacteriaceae, Fusobacteriaceae, Hymenobacteraceae, Kiloniellaceae, Listeriaceae, Nostocaceae, Oceanospirillaceae, Oscillatoriaceae, Oxalobacteraceae, Prevotellaceae, Pseudanabaenaceae, Rhodanobacteraceae, Rhodocyclaceae, Rickettsiaceae, Rivulariaceae, Streptosporangiaceae, Synechococcaceae, Syntrophobacteraceae, Thermogemmatisporaceae, Thiotrichaceae, Verrucomicrobiaceae,
  • Genus Level: Acholeplasma, Acidaminobacter, Aminobacterium, Ammonifex, Anoxybacillus, Asticcacaulis, Bilophila, Caldithrix, Calothrix, Catenibacterium, Chroococcus, Cyanobacterium, Desulfofrigus, Desulfosporosinus, Dokdonella, Dysgonomonas, Edaphobacter, Ehrlichia, Emticicia, Escherichia, Fusibacter, Fusobacterium, Gillisia, Haemophilus, Insolitispirillum, Kushneria, Listeria, Luteibacter, Lysinibacillus, Marinospirillum, Microbacterium, Neisseria, Niastella, Novispirillum, Oleomonas, Olivibacter, Oscillatoria, Parapedobacter, Paraprevotella, Pelotomaculum, Pontibacter, Ralstonia, Rickettsia, Roseomonas, Sarcina, Sebaldella, Skermanella, Tepidanaerobacter, Tepidimicrobium, Thalassospira, Thermoanaerobacter, Thermogemmatispora, Thiothrix,
  • I will skip the species level…

Bottom line is that the microbiome has become much more diverse

Recent FMT aspects

FMT destabilizes the microbiome, there are “strain riots” in the guts. We can see this with all of the “New Kids” showing up because the existing occupants are busy dealing with each other. This can be seen by the post microbiome having a lot more taxonomical items (550 vs 374 before – a 47% increase), The microbiome, over time, will downsize and stabilize with a new normal. During this period, you want to entrench your desired items by feeding it the right things and avoiding the wrong thing.

Personally, I would suggest a new sample every 6 weeks to monitor the stabilization.

Is FMT Worth the Risk?

FMT is effectively an organ transplant. Like organ transplants, there are significant risks of rejection and no way to undo it once it happens. From correspondence with many people who have tried it for ME/CFS, my feelings are that it is not a magic bullet. It is closer to playing Russian roulette, but with 5 of the 6 bullet chambers having bullets in the chambers.

I just spent 90 minutes zooming to the consultant involved with this autistic child. We both agreed that FMT for autistic children is not a wise course. The consultant is scratching their head on what to help this child recover from this situation.

Some prior posts on FMT