Fecal Matter Transplant Goes Wrong

A reader messaged me about some issues she was having

Hi, could I just have a quick question? I read in the Gut Health group on Facebook that you wrote that if there is too much, for example, lactobacillus, it can cause neurological problems. I suffer from anxiety and depression and was recommended a transplant of intestinal microflora, which made the condition 100 times worse and since then I can’t get out of it and the doctors don’t know what to do with it. I’m still trying to treat dysbiosis, but now I don’t know if the problem is one of the good bacteria? Thank you very much.

yes, I have a biomesight and a GI map, there is an overgrowth of Prevotela, Streptococus, Enterobacter and Citrobacter and a little bifido and lacto. I have yellow stools after the transplant, if I don’t take probiotics. But it seems that nothing works, diet, antimicrobials, probiotics, enemas with probiotics, prebiotics, nothing helps

Initial Comments

This person is not in the US. She lives in a place where Fecal Matter Transplants is allowed for many conditions than the US (where it is only authorized for Clostridioides difficileafter everything else has failed). I view FMT as Russian roulette hoping that a silver ballet will happen to end up in the cylinder. IMHO, before a FMT is done we need at least two shotgun microbiome tests done. One for each candidate donor and one for the recipient. These need to be carefully reviewed by a third party who is very well informed on the microbiome. Only the best donor will be used. After the FMT, monthly shotgun reports of the recipient microbiome should be done for at least 6 months.

Analysis

The first step is to look at predicted symptoms, most are neurological, with the two reported symptoms sitting high up the list.

  • Comorbid: High Anxiety – [66.6%]
  • General: Depression – [64.1%]

I marked all of the items with depression and anxiety and then asked for suggestions. The top items are shown below,

(2->1)-beta-D-fructofuranan {Inulin}Prebiotics and similar  
oligosaccharides {oligosaccharides}Prebiotics and similar  
Outer Layers of Triticum aestivum {Wheat Bran}Food (excluding seasonings)  
laminaria digitata {Oarweed}Food (excluding seasonings)  
dietary fiberDiet Style  
β-lactoglobulin {Whey}Food (excluding seasonings)  
Fiber, total dietaryDiet Style  
Pulvis ledebouriellae compositae {Bofutsushosan}Herb or Spice  
Orange JuiceFood (excluding seasonings)  
ß-glucan {Beta-Glucan}Prebiotics and similar  

The number of bacteria picked was below my comfort level, so I then did Novice: Just tell me what to take or avoid

While the items were technically different, they were very similar for example

bifidobacterium bifidum {B. bifidum}Probiotics  
atorvastatin (prescription)Prescription – Other  
High-protein diet {Atkins low-carbohydrate diet}Diet Style  
Helianthus tuberosus {jerusalem artichoke}Prebiotics and similar  
Lentinula edodes {Shiitake Mushroom}Food (excluding seasonings)  
high red meatFood (excluding seasonings)  
amlodipine,(prescription)Prescription – Other  
Human milk oligosaccharides (prebiotic, Holigos, Stachyose)Prebiotics and similar  
Brassica oleracea var. italica {Broccoli}Food (excluding seasonings)  
rosmarinus officinalis {rosemary}Herb or Spice  
Actinidia deliciosa/chinensis {kiwifruit}Food (excluding seasonings)  
naringenin {grapefruit}Flavonoids, Polyphenols etc  
azithromycin,[CFS]Antibiotics, Antivirals etc  
refined wheat breadsFood (excluding seasonings)  
nicotinic acid {Vitamin B-3}Vitamins, Minerals and similar  
Fraxinus angustifolia {Narrow-leaved ash}Herb or Spice  
Terminalia chebula {Haritaki}Herb or Spice  
Mentha spicata {Spearmint}Herb or Spice  
Diferuloylmethane {Curcumin}Herb or Spice  

Probiotics

There are two approaches for probiotics:

We have agreement on the following top choices:

We should note that there are probiotics that should be avoid, including

The failure to understand that all probiotics are not created equal is a common problem. Often I have heard “I tried probiotics and it did not work”. That is not surprising because often they are sold with dozen of species in one bottle — “because the more species you have, the better your sales will be” from manufacturers and influencers.

You need to get specific species and ideally recently manufactured. A bottle of probiotics stored in an unrefrigerated warehouse for 12 months may have very few viable bacteria left. When they get to a retail store, they may be put into a refrigerator — but that is too late.

Where do I get the probiotics?

I prefer single species — and where I get mine?

  • Single species with (almost) no fillers. There are precisely three sources that I use:
    • Custom Probiotics :they list all of their strains — many are researched. No other ingredients just the bacteria.
    • Maple Life Science™: No strains yet, but shipments usually have manufactured date within 4 weeks of arrival (i.e. FRESH). Contains FOS
    • Bulk Probiotics: US based Newbie — but has some species not available at the other two sites. No other ingredients just the bacteria. Specifically, Lactobacillus Jensenii that has great potential for Crohn’s disease.
  • NOTE: none of these sell though retail outlets. This keeps their costs down and their product fresh.

Another Alternative to get Suggestions

On the old UI we have this section and we have enough studies for Depression show up.

With this sample, we have the following bacteria matches against published studies (with links to the studies).

This results in the suggestions below. Each suggestion has also been reported in studies to help depression. This means that the odds of them working is pretty good.

Treatment Suggestions for

This report is for Reader using this sample BiomeSight:2022-10-25 Self 🛑 . It uses their reported medical conditions, microbiome sample, US National Library of Medicine, and a fuzzy logic expert system to compute recommendations balancing study reliability and contraindications. These suggestions should always be reviewed by a medical professional before starting.

NOTA BENE: This is working solely from published studies. Other suggestions algorithms are available on Microbiome Prescription. The URL above may be sent to your MD if you wish to share it.

The reported condition(s) are

This person has a significant amount of bacteria known to form biofilms

Substances with a 🦠 are reported to reduce biofilms. See for studies.

  1. Depression – Depressive Disorder
    1. Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Some studies suggest that omega-3 supplements, particularly those rich in EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexaenoic acid), might have modest benefits as adjuncts to traditional treatments for depression. Omega-3s are essential for brain health, and they may have some mood-stabilizing properties.
    2. Vitamin D: Low levels of vitamin D have been associated with depression. While the exact relationship is complex and not fully understood, maintaining adequate vitamin D levels through supplements or exposure to sunlight may support overall mental health.
    3. B Vitamins: Some B vitamins, such as B6, B9 (folate), and B12, are involved in neurotransmitter synthesis and may have a role in mood regulation. Folate deficiency, in particular, has been linked to depressive symptoms.
    4. Probiotics: The gut-brain connection has led to studies exploring the potential impact of probiotics on mental health. Research suggests that gut health may influence mood, and some studies propose that certain probiotics might have a modest effect on reducing depressive symptoms. However, more research is needed to determine specific strains, dosages, and their impact on depression.

Significant Bacteria Shifts

Based on the existing literature on the US National Library of Medicine and this microbiome sample, we have the following matches for bacteria shifts. There is a growing body of literature finding that the effectiveness of interventions depends on the existing microbiome. We filter by documented interventions that helps some with this condition and suggestions based on this person’s specific microbiome to produce this “double validated” list.


Bacteroidaceae – family : Low 5 16
Bacteroides – genus : Low 13 16 20 22
Bifidobacterium longum – species : Low 7 10
Collinsella – genus : Low 9
Collinsella aerofaciens – species : Low 9
Escherichia – genus : Low 2 5 12

Lactobacillus – genus : Low 5 8 14 15 17 18 19 21 23
Parabacteroides – genus : Low 11 20
Porphyromonas – genus : High 1
Prevotella – genus : High 3 4 24
Sphingobacterium – genus : Low 13
Streptococcus – genus : Low 6

Cross Validated Suggestions

The following improves the bacteria identified above and also is reported in the literature of helping some people with this condition. Each is link to the source study.

5,6-dihydro-9,10-dimethoxybenzo[g]-1,3-benzodioxolo[5,6-a]quinolizinium {Berberine} 64
3,3′,4′,5,7-pentahydroxyflavone {Quercetin} 41
3,5,7-trihydroxy flavanone-7-rhamnoglucoside {Hesperidin} 31
a-Amino-3-indolepropionic acid {Tryptophan} 72
Agaricus bisporus {White button mushrooms} 31
Akkermansia muciniphila {Pendulum Probiotic} 43 62 66 74 81 92
alpha-linolenic acid {Omega-3} 34 35 41 48
arabinogalactan {arabinogalactan} 86
Bifidobacterium breve {B. breve} 46 89
bifidobacterium infantis {B. infantis} 78
Biotin {Vitamin B7} 76
blueberry 41
Caffeine 41
Camellia sinensis {oolong tea} 48
Citrus limon {Lemon} 47
Coffee 41
coptis chinensis {Chinese goldthread } 49
Crocus sativus {Saffron} 44 48
Cuminum cyminum {Cumin} 48
dietary fiber 41
eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA),docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) {Fish Oil} 41 48
Epicatechin {Green tea polyphenol} 41
folate {Vitamin B9} 33 34
fruit 32 40
Glycine max x Aspergillus oryzae {Miso} 41
green tea 41
Hericium erinaceus {Lion’s Mane Mushroom } 68
Heyndrickxia coagulans {B. coagulans} 25 26
Hypericum perforatum {St. John’s Wort} 41 48
Ipomoea batata {Purple sweet potatoes} 31
kefir 90
Kimchi 31
Lacticaseibacillus casei {L. casei} 77
Lacticaseibacillus rhamnosus {l. rhamnosus}🦠 54 63 84 87 93
lactobacillus acidophilus {L. acidophilus} 49 50 51
lactobacillus helveticus {L. helveticus} 49 67 82
lactobacillus helveticus,lactobacillus rhamnosus 80 84
Lactobacillus plantarum {L. plantarum} 41 49 53 55

Lactococcus lactis {Streptococcus lactis}🦠 44
Lentinula edodes {Shiitake Mushroom} 31
Levilactobacillus brevis {L.brevis} 42
Limosilactobacillus fermentum {L. fermentum} 88
long-term, moderate-intensity exercise {exercise} 65 71
low carbohydrate diet 41
low-fat diets 40
Lycium barbarum x Lycium chinense, {Goji Fruit, Juice} 48
Malus domestica {apple} 70
Mixture of Vitamin B? {B Vitamins} 27
Musa acuminata {Banana} 31
Nigella sativa {black cumin}🦠 56
nuts 40 41
oligosaccharides {oligosaccharides} 80
Phaseolus vulgaris {Boston bean} 40
Pisces {Fish} 32 41
polyphenols 41
Pulses, Beans 40
Pyroguaiac acid {Guaiacol} 70
resveratrol-pterostilbene {grapes, blueberries} 41
resveratrol-pterostilbene x Quercetin {quercetin x resveratrol} 41
Rhodiola rosea {Rosavin} 48
Rubus {Raspberries} 41 52
SAM-e 41
Selenomethionine {Selenium supplement} 85
Solanum tuberosum {Potatoes} 73
soy 40 41
ß-glucan {Beta-Glucan} 57 58 59 60
tea 91
Traditional Mediterranean diet {Mediterranean diet} 40
Vaccinium {Cranberry} 41
vegetable 32 40
vegetarians 40
vitamin d🦠 27 28 29 30 41 69
Whole Cow milk {Whole Milk} 31
whole-grain diet 40
yogurt 41

Bottom Line

There is no definitive right way to determine how to correct a dysbiosis. We just do not have enough studies. Above, you have two main approach (with some overlap of suggestions)

  • Working off the microbiome that are too high or too low.
    • We cross check probiotics suggestions using KEGG data
  • Working off the microbiome using only peer reviewed studies for one condition: depression.
    • This report should have high creditability with most medical types — because all of the evidence used to make the report is cited.

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