Refactored KEGG based Probiotics

One thing about dealing with the microbiome is the need to constantly check and test your assumptions and revised from the results of tests. The series of A new specialized selection of suggestions links shattered several reasonable assumptions that appears to be false for most people, namely:

  • A surplus of specific bacteria is not the cause (no statistical significance was found)
  • A surplus of specific enzymes is not the cause (no statistical significance was found)
  • Abundance or deficiency of certain compounds rarely has any statistical significance.

What keeps showing up as statistically significant are:

  • An insufficient number of “good guy” bacteria — I do NOT mean traditional internet-lore good guy bacteria.
  • An insufficient number of specific enzymes being produced.

In every study we have had 99% of the items being statistically significant at the 99% level being deficiency, i.e. with a condition, the mean of those with the condition is less than the mean of the reference group. The 1% that show up as too high are usually at relatively low z-score and is a surprising good match to the number expected from the False Detection Rate. In other words, they were false significant.

This means that some refactoring is planned. The first one is to give an option to get suggestions ONLY from the undergrowth. The second one, revised the probiotic suggestions from using the genomic data from KEGG: Kyoto Encyclopedia of Genes and Genomes to match the pattern. This has just been done.

A common pattern that I have seen in the enzyme data has been that the mean of the study group was about 30% of the mean of the reference group. So, the shotgun approach is to flag in a sample all of the enzymes that are less than 30% of the refence group (using lab specific data). From the flagged enzymes, we look at all of the available probiotics as well as potential probiotics species and see which ones produces the most of the missing enzymes. My expectation is that often the best of these probiotics may “kick ass”, in the case of a ME/CFS person “Just started it and wow does this one give me crazy dreams and headaches. I even tried it in the morning and still the same result.  Did you just power though or any pointers to deal with the herx” 

PLACEHOLDER — VIDEO COMING

Special Studies: Anxiety

This is a common symptom for our times. This is reported often in samples, and thus being examined if it reaches our threshold for inclusion as defined in A new specialized selection of suggestions links. It does.

Anxiety is likely a part of a feedback look — anxiety chemicals modify the microbiome resulting in more anxiety triggering chemicals being released.

Study Populations:

We have 3 symptom annotations that could be included

  • Comorbid: High Anxiety [8.5 z-score x 45 samples]
  • DePaul University Fatigue Questionnaire : Anxiety/tension [6.5 z-score x 63 samples]
  • Condition: Generalized anxiety disorder [just 7 samples – so we exclude]

Taking the first two together we get 85 samples with an max z-score of 5.7

SymptomReferenceStudy
High Anxiety and Anxiety/tension111585
  • Bacteria Detected with z-score > 2.6: found 160 items, highest value was 5.7
  • Enzymes Detected with z-score > 2.6: found 290 items, highest value was 5.7
  • Compound Detected with z-score > 2.6: found No items

This hints that the enzymes being produced are likely more significant than the bacteria.

Interesting Significant Bacteria

All bacteria found significant (except 1) had too low levels. This is a common pattern found with these studies, it is not “bad bacteria bogie man bacteria” but an absence of “upstanding citizens bacteria”.

BacteriaReference MeanStudyZ-Score
Actinobacillus pleuropneumoniae (species)56215.7
Haemophilus parainfluenzae (species)16335435.5
Haemophilus (genus)16325455.4
Actinobacillus porcinus (species)183685.2
Pasteurellaceae (family)20017605.1
Pasteurellales (order)20017605.1

This is echoed in some studies

Interesting Enzymes

All enzymes found significant had too low levels.

EnzymeReference MeanStudy MeanZ-Score
HslU—HslV peptidase; (3.4.25.2)717732185.7
UDP-N-acetyl-alpha-D-glucosamine hydro-lyase (configuration-retaining; UDP-2-acetamido-2,6-dideoxy-alpha-D-xylo-hex-4-ulose-forming) (4.2.1.135)18965195.6
propanoate:CoA ligase (AMP-forming) (6.2.1.17)19216145.4
[RNA] 5′-hydroxy-ribonucleotide-3′-[RNA fragment]-lyase (cyclicizing; [RNA fragment]-3′- nucleoside-2′,3′-cyclophosphate-forming and hydrolysing) (4.6.1.19)15415345.3
(2S,3R)-3-hydroxybutane-1,2,3-tricarboxylate pyruvate-lyase (succinate-forming) (4.1.3.30)14744645.3
(S)-2-hydroxyglutarate:quinone oxidoreductase (1.1.5.13)22417105.3
propanoyl-CoA:oxaloacetate C-propanoyltransferase (thioester-hydrolysing, 1-carboxyethyl-forming) (2.3.3.5)15195005.3
CMP-N-acetyl-beta-neuraminate:beta-D-galactosyl-(1->4)-N-acetyl-beta-D-glucosaminyl-R (2->3)-N-acetyl-alpha-neuraminyltransferase (configuration-inverting) (2.4.99.6)16305495.3
4-hydroxybutanoate:NAD+ oxidoreductase (1.1.1.61)23706805.3
ATP:(Kdo)-lipid IVA 3-deoxy-alpha-D-manno-oct-2-ulopyranose 4-phosphotransferase (2.7.1.166)15355555.2
n/a (3.1.25.1)15735565.1
(S)-3-amino-2-methylpropanoate:2-oxoglutarate aminotransferase (2.6.1.22)24248765.1
5-aminopentanoate:2-oxoglutarate aminotransferase (2.6.1.48)24318835.1

Usually I leave the enzymes to nerds, but in this I decided to do a little exploration. I recall that Lactobacillus Casei has been shown to reduce anxiety in studies. So I looked up what enzymes are in it. In the above list of too low, I found the first one above, 3.4.25.2 in it. It opens up a possible model for picking probiotics a priori to address anxiety.

There was only one lactobacillus with more than one of these enzymes, Lactobacillus yamanashiensis – not available as a retail probiotic. There were three bifidobacterium which had more than one of these enzymes:

  • Bifidobacterium dentium (3)
  • Bifidobacterium thermophilum (3)
  • Bifidobacterium subtile (2)

Unfortunately, none are available as a retail probiotic. HOWEVER, there is one commercial probiotic that appears to have EIGHT (8) of these enzymes: Escherichia coli, available as Mutaflor (E.Coli Nisse 1917) or Symbioflor-2. So if you have anxiety, the theoretically best probiotic for you to take is an E.Coli one!!

A surprise!

I went to look at the a priori suggestions and was shocked/delighted that the only probiotic on the suggestion list was Symbioflor-2. Even with the complexities of 160 bacteria to adjust, somehow our enzymes calculations and this totally study based approach came to agreement! I repeat, I was shocked —

This selecting probiotics based on enzyme deficiency has an interesting scent and I will likely follow up on future posts.

SIBO Bacteria — nothing is certain…

A small number of possible ones are reported in the literature, but the quality of the results are suspect.

Tax RankTax NameShiftCitation Link
genusEnterococcus (NCBI:1350 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
genusKlebsiella (NCBI:570 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
genusPrevotella (NCBI:838 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
genusSalmonella (NCBI:590 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
genusStaphylococcus (NCBI:1279 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
genusStreptococcus (NCBI:1301 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
phylumFirmicutes (NCBI:1239 )Low   πŸ“š PubMed
speciesAcinetobacter baumannii (NCBI:470 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
speciesBifidobacterium longum (NCBI:216816 )Low   πŸ“š PubMed
speciesEnterococcus faecalis (NCBI:1351 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
speciesEnterococcus faecalis (NCBI:1351 )Low
speciesEnterococcus faecium (NCBI:1352 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
speciesEscherichia coli (NCBI:562 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
speciesEscherichia coli (NCBI:562 )High
speciesKlebsiella pneumoniae (NCBI:573 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
speciesMethanobrevibacter smithii (NCBI:2173 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
speciesMethanobrevibacter smithii (NCBI:2173 )High
speciesPseudomonas aeruginosa (NCBI:287 )High   πŸ“š PubMed
From https://microbiomeprescription.com/library/PubMedCitation?CondId=67

The usual method of testing is from breath tests. From KEGG.JP we can get a list of bacteria that produces the compounds detected in the breath — the number is huge.

This page/video was suggested reading/viewing by a reader.

Question: How do you search on Microbiome Prescription for H2 etc?

On My Own Sample

Which Test? Is GI-MAP not enough?

To me, the more information about the microbiome that you have, the better it is to identify issues and build a treatment course. Below, the numbers will speak for themselves.

Second Class Tests

I deem these as 2nd class for several reasons: the number of bacteria reported is low (compare to others), the lab method requires the bacteria to be culturable (hence many bacteria will never be reported), they do no provide a suitable CSV file for upload to Microbiome Prescription (allowing 2nd opinions for treatment), they mechanism of measurement is not compatible to Microbiome Prescription (and most recent microbiome studies on the US National Library of Medicine)

Lab NameBacteriaReported
Bioscreen (cfu/gm)17
Biovis Microbiome Plus (cfu/g)40
DayTwo76
Diagnostic Solution GI-Map (cfu/gm)38
GanzImmun Diagnostic A6 (cfu/gm)76
GanzImmun Diagnostics AG Befundbericht25
Genova Gi Effects (cfu/g)28
Genova Parasitology (cfu/g)7
GI EcologiX (Invivo)55
GI360 Stool (UK)67
Gut Zoomer (vibrant-wellness)152
InVitaLab (cfu/gm)23
Kyber Kompakt (cfu/g)11
Medivere: Darm Mikrobiom Stuhltest (16s limited)16
Medivere: Darn Magen Diagnostik (16s Limited)16
Medivere: Gesundsheitscheck Darm (16s Limited)17
Metagenomics Stool (De Meirleir) (16s Limited)53
Smart Gut (ubiome 16s – Limited Taxonomy)23
Verisana (cfu/ml) aka (kbe/ml)11
Viome (No objective measures)29

First Class Tests

These are first class because: they allow an easy upload to Microbiome Prescription, use an appropriate measurement process, report based on bacteria DNA/RNA and not cultured count. The key words are 16s and shotgun analysis and not cultured.

There can be considerable cost differences between these labs (links to my first choices are below).

Lab/ProcessorLowTypicalHighUploads
AmericanGut7315621318
BiomeSight1157013051283
BiomeSightRdp27965686211
Nirvana / CosmosId643070533
es-xenogene1461288052254
Medivere5307219347
Microba5312215316
SequentiaBiotech16631346036
Ombre Labs18566722381066
uBiome (Out of Business)6249589813

Most Useful Lab?

Microbiome Prescription does some Fuzzy Logic Artificial Intelligence (FLAI) a.k.a. Dr. Artificial Intelligence. The accuracy is a function of the data available to him, that is the number of uploads from a specific lab. The newer lab BiomeSight is the winner here. This preference is made stronger because they will ship worldwide while #2, OmbreLabs (according to feedback) will only ship to the US. Microbiome Prescription mission is to support people worldwide .. so the handwriting on the statistics board is clear.

We have a growing number of special studies using BiomeSight data.

  1. πŸ—ΊοΈ Allergic Rhinitis (Hay Fever) ( 165 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 9.5
  2. πŸ—ΊοΈ Autism ( 192 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 8.3
  3. πŸ—ΊοΈ Bloating ( 126 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 5.4
  4. πŸ—ΊοΈ Brain Fog ( 93 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 5.2
  5. πŸ—ΊοΈ Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS/ME) ( 170 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 6.6
  6. πŸ—ΊοΈ Cold Extremities ( 145 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 12.7
  7. πŸ—ΊοΈ COVID19 (Long Hauler) ( 218 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 12.6
  8. πŸ—ΊοΈ Easily irritated ( 248 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 9.9
  9. πŸ—ΊοΈ High Anxiety ( 170 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 5.9
  10. πŸ—ΊοΈ Histamine or Mast Cell issues ( 138 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 8.4
  11. πŸ—ΊοΈ Inflammatory bowel disease ( 245 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 12.5
  12. πŸ—ΊοΈ irritable bowel syndrome ( 150 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 6.7
  13. πŸ—ΊοΈ ME/CFS with IBS ( 193 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 8.4
  14. πŸ—ΊοΈ ME/CFS without IBS ( 251 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 7.3
  15. πŸ—ΊοΈ Post-exertional malaise ( 175 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 6
  16. πŸ—ΊοΈ Tinnitus (ringing in ear) ( 133 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 6.7
  17. πŸ—ΊοΈ Unrefreshed sleep ( 165 candidate bacteria) with highest z-score of 6.9

Social Media Questions

For other tests not covered above, see 16s Providers

On Sun Genomics

On Gut Zoomer

“Show me the beef!” This appears to be pure marketing hype — or more specifically, a substance for microbiome analysis that is high in pathogens!

Gut Zoomer [Est. 2016] – 170 -200 species (per their advertising) must be ordered thru a physician

https://www.vibrant-wellness.com/tests/gut-zoomer/

While Xerogene typically reports TEN TIMES as many!!! It is DEFINITELY NOT THE MOST COMPLETE, it is infact at the bottom of their first class competitors but the top of second class competitors.

What about Biohm

Based on their official View a sample report. they report on only 44 bacteria items.

Special Studies: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

We have IBS annotated in three different ways:

  • Autonomic Manifestations: irritable bowel syndrome
  • Official Diagnosis: Irritable Bowel Syndrome
  • Condition: ME/CFS with IBS

I ran each possible combination of the above and Official Diagnosis: Irritable Bowel Syndrome gave the strongest results and this will be reported here. When other things are combined, it is common for associations to become diffused/weaker. This is part of Β A new specialized selection of suggestions links.

Study Populations:

SymptomReferenceStudy
Official Diagnosis: Irritable Bowel Syndrome112256
  • Bacteria Detected with z-score > 2.6: found 148 items, highest value was 6.7
  • Enzymes Detected with z-score > 2.6: found 218 items, highest value was 6.1
  • Compound Detected with z-score > 2.6: found No items

Interesting Significant Bacteria

The results are very striking — low bifidobacterium across the board at the top! Almost all of the bacteria associated are low.

BacteriaReference MeanStudyZ-Score
Bifidobacterium gallicum (species)37415876.7
Bifidobacterium kashiwanohense PV20-2 (strain)325626.6
Bifidobacterium catenulatum subsp. kashiwanohense (subspecies)315626.6
Thermosediminibacterales (order)49166.3
Lactiplantibacillus pentosus (species)123285
Escherichia (genus)598313974.9
Bifidobacterium cuniculi (species)81304.7
Bifidobacterium angulatum (species)184324.7

Interesting Enzymes

As is often seen with various symptoms/conditions, the associations are due to insufficiency and not surplus.

EnzymeReference MeanStudy MeanZ-Score
substrate,NADPH—hemoprotein reductase:oxygen oxidoreductase (RH-hydroxylating or -epoxidizing) (1.14.14.1)51196.1
NADPH:hemoprotein oxidoreductase (1.6.2.4)51196.1
propanoyl-CoA:oxaloacetate C-propanoyltransferase (thioester-hydrolysing, 1-carboxyethyl-forming) (2.3.3.5)14803816.1
(2S)-3-(4-hydroxyphenyl)-2-isocyanopropanoate,2-oxoglutarate:oxygen oxidoreductase (decarboxylating) (1.14.20.10)131266
(2S)-3-(4-hydroxyphenyl)-2-isocyanopropanoate,2-oxoglutarate:oxygen oxidoreductase (1.14.20.9)131266
(2S,3R)-3-hydroxybutane-1,2,3-tricarboxylate pyruvate-lyase (succinate-forming) (4.1.3.30)14323755.9
ATP:amicoumacin A 2-phosphotransferase (2.7.1.230)41185.7
(E)-4-(trimethylammonio)but-2-enoyl-CoA:L-carnitine CoA-transferase (2.8.3.21)13543885.7
gamma-butyrobetainyl-CoA:electron-transfer flavoprotein 2,3-oxidoreductase (1.3.8.13)13653905.7
L-carnitine:CoA ligase (AMP-forming) (6.2.1.48)13394435.4
hydrogen-sulfide:ferredoxin oxidoreductase (1.8.7.1)991246835.3
NADPH:acceptor oxidoreductase (1.6.99.1)568422845.3
(2S,3S)-2-hydroxybutane-1,2,3-tricarboxylate hydro-lyase [(Z)-but-2-ene-1,2,3-tricarboxylate-forming] (4.2.1.79)12844075.2
S-methyl-5′-thioadenosine:phosphate S-methyl-5-thio-alpha-D-ribosyl-transferase (2.4.2.28)363816685.1
acyl-CoA,ferrocytochrome b5:oxygen oxidoreductase (6,7 cis-dehydrogenating) (1.14.19.3)10622845
butanoyl-CoA:acetoacetate CoA-transferase (2.8.3.9)389222295
L-carnitinyl-CoA hydro-lyase [(E)-4-(trimethylammonio)but-2-enoyl-CoA-forming] (4.2.1.149)14223625

Bottom Line

Looking at the bacteria, the probiotic solution would be:

  • Bifidobacterium (a wide variety)
  • E. Coli Probiotic (Mutaflor or Symbioflor-2)

Lactobacillus are HOSTILE to E.Coli, so Lactobacillus probiotics should likely be avoided.

Looking at some of the recommendations, we see Human milk oligosaccharides (prebiotic, Holigos, Stachyose) which are known to greatly encourage bifidobacterium. We also see saccharomyces boulardii which is also known to increase Bifidobacterium [2020].

As always, using your own 16s samples would produce the best suggestions.

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